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When two seasoned pastors sit down together, wisdom is sure to flow. In this heartfelt conversation, Stephen Davey joins Chuck Swindoll to talk about perseverance in ministry—how to lead with courage, stay grounded in grace, and shepherd people faithfully through every season.

This interview is filled with practical encouragement for pastors, ministry leaders, and anyone walking through the challenges of spiritual leadership. Chuck Swindoll reminds us that faithful ministry requires “the heart of a shepherd and the hide of a rhino.” His candid words call every servant of God to lead with love, endurance, and integrity.

Watch this video to be encouraged, challenged, and reminded that perseverance in ministry is not about personal strength, but about God’s sustaining grace.

Key Takeaways from the Conversation

• Lead with both tenderness and toughness. Ministry calls for a soft heart toward people and a strong spine for truth.

• Serve without becoming a doormat. Pastors are called to love and guide, not to carry every wound or insult.

• Rely on grace daily. Endurance in ministry flows from humility and dependence on God’s strength.

• Pray for God’s honor above all. As Chuck prayed over Stephen and Shepherds Church, he modeled how every ministry moment should end—with gratitude and trust in the Lord.

Ministry is never easy—but it is deeply rewarding when your focus stays on Christ. As you listen to this conversation between two faithful shepherds, may you find renewed confidence to keep serving, keep trusting, and keep walking in grace.